# Women and Desire | Emma Sayle and Killing Kittens

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Podcast: [Victoria Derbyshire's Unbelievable Britain](https://stenobird.com/podcast/victoria-derbyshire-s-unbelievable-britain-7655141)
Published: 2026-02-19T16:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://shows.acast.com/victoria-derbyshires-unbelievable-britain/episodes/when-women-set-the-rules-of-desire-emma-sayle-and-killing-ki
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Duration seconds: 2672

## Resource

Twenty years ago, Emma Sayle launched a women-led sex club that challenged everything people thought they knew about desire, power and who gets to set the rules. Many thought she was brave, others thought she was mad and it was certainly headline grabbing. Two decades on, Killing Kittens has grown into a global movement. Emma joins Victoria to talk about how it started, the backlash and misconceptions, what has changed for women since, and why female-led spaces around sex, confidence and choice still matter more than ever. Victoria Derbyshire has spent decades as one of the UK's most trusted journalists, breaking major stories and leading some of the most powerful interviews on radio and television. Now with Unbelievable Britain, she'll prove the most unbelievable stories aren’t fiction… they’re happening right here. Extraordinary people with stories that reveal who we really are as a nation, surprising, inspiring, and sometimes hard to believe. Unbelievable Britain shares remarkable personal stories from across the country, told by the people who lived them. Subscribe for new episodes every week. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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