# Bill Cooper's Interview with John Lear (1993) - UFO Deception & Mind Control

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Podcast: [Urban Odyssey](https://stenobird.com/podcast/urban-odyssey-6917225)
Published: 2026-05-18T13:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Substack Article: https://open.substack.com/pub/theofficialurban/p/bill-cooper-john-lear-1993?r=3kr5wz&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web Listen to this historic 1993 broadcast from Bill Cooper’s radio show, The Hour of the Time , featuring legendary airline captain and researcher John Lear. In this deep-dive interview, Lear and Cooper dismantle the mainstream narrative surrounding the UFO phenomenon, exposing it not as an extraterrestrial invasion, but as a highly sophisticated, multi-generational psychological operation and mind control program. They discuss the extreme advancement of black-budget military tech—including completely silent helicopters , underground facilities like Marana , and hidden bases —and explain how this technology has been weaponized to manufacture an artificial alien threat. This manufactured "external menace" traces back to geopolitical strategies planned as early as 1917 to manipulate humanity into accepting a totalitarian one-world government.

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