# Ep 85: Has AI Infra Stabilized, FM Vibe Shift, & What's Next for Coding Agents

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Podcast: [Unsupervised Learning with Jacob Effron](https://stenobird.com/podcast/unsupervised-learning-with-jacob-effron-6041643)
Published: 2026-04-23T13:00:24+00:00
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## Resource

This episode is a wide-ranging conversation between Jacob and Swyx (Shawn Wang), an AI engineer, podcaster, and now operator at Cognition, who sits at a uniquely informed intersection of builder, investor, and community organizer in the AI world. The two cover the current state of the AI engineering zeitgeist: from the stabilization of agent infrastructure and the surprising stickiness of Claude Code, to the competitive dynamics of the AI coding wars, the rise of open models, the threat to traditional SaaS, and the frontier questions around world models, memory, and what it actually means for AI to "understand" something. The episode is grounded in practitioner-level candor, with Swyx offering real takes from running AIE conferences, working inside Cognition, and thinking deeply about what the next wave of AI-native software development looks like.

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