# 184: What If You're Both Right?

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Podcast: [Unstuck with Jay Abbasi](https://stenobird.com/podcast/unstuck-with-jay-abbasi-7051050)
Published: 2026-07-06T08:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

The biggest leadership problems aren't solved by choosing sides. Meet Hector. As the general manager of a wholesale building materials company, Hector expects accountability and results. But the harder he pushes for performance, the quieter his team becomes. Sales blames operations. Managers avoid difficult conversations. Hector is beginning to wonder if great leadership really requires choosing between caring about people and driving results, or if there's another way. Today, Jay sits down with Michelle Troseth and Dr. Tracy Christopherson, co-founders of Missing Logic, co-authors of Polarity Intelligence, and hosts of the Burnout Proof Leadership podcast. Together, they explore why the biggest leadership challenges aren't problems to solve, but polarities to manage. and how embracing both perspectives leads to stronger teams, healthier cultures, and better decisions. Notable Quotes "It's not a problem you can solve. You need both performance and people." — Michelle Troseth "Most of what we deal with are interdependencies, not separate problems." — Michelle Troseth "Your preference becomes the environment your team works in." — Dr. Tracy Christopherson "You have to differentiate a problem from a polarity." — Michelle Troseth About Our Guests Michelle Troseth and Dr. Tracy Christopherson are the co-founders of Missing Logic, co-authors of Polarity Intelligence, and internationally recognized experts in leadership, burnout prevention, and organizational culture. Through their research, coaching, and consulting, they help leaders move beyond either-or thinking, navigate competing priorities, and build healthier, higher-performing organizations. Resources & Links Michelle Troseth Missing Logic Website – https://www.missinglogic.com/ Polarity Intelligence Book – https:…

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