# 182: The Hidden Cost of Fake Peace

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Podcast: [Unstuck with Jay Abbasi](https://stenobird.com/podcast/unstuck-with-jay-abbasi-7051050)
Published: 2026-06-29T08:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Avoiding conflict doesn't create peace. It creates distance. Meet Amy. Three months into her new role as Senior Director of Quality, she's already exhausted. Every attempt to improve processes is met with resistance from a fellow leader who ignores her emails, avoids collaboration, and publicly undermines her in meetings. Amy wants alignment, trust, and results, but instead finds herself bracing for the next conflict. What she wants most is to lead with confidence without constantly feeling like she's fighting an uphill battle. Today, Jay sits down with Jenn Whitmer, leadership expert, TEDx speaker, and creator of Joyosity. Jenn helps leaders navigate conflict, strengthen communication, and build healthier workplace cultures. Together, they explore why avoiding difficult conversations creates "fake peace," how to handle challenging personalities, and what it takes to create genuine collaboration. Notable Quotes "If you avoid conflict, you manufacture fake peace." — Jenn Whitmer "Sandpaper people will always be around." — Jenn Whitmer "Everything good is on the other side of a hard conversation." — Jenn Whitmer About Our Guest Jenn Whitmer is a leadership expert, TEDx speaker, author, and founder of Joyosity. She helps organizations create healthier cultures by improving communication, emotional intelligence, and conflict resolution. Drawing on her background in education and leadership, Jenn teaches practical strategies that help teams thrive through change and complexity. Resources & Links Jenn Whitmer Joyosity Book – https://jennwhitmer.com/books Website – https://jennwhitmer.com/ LinkedIn – https://www.linkedin.com/in/jennwhitmer/ YouTube – https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2-DJeF4oY7ImMFDryRZZ-A Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/jenn_whitmer/ TikTok – https…

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