# Larry Bolden and Anisa Sumlar Are Grappling

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Podcast: [Unseriously](https://stenobird.com/podcast/unseriously-7170848)
Published: 2026-05-11T09:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Count out the syllables, it's Larry Bolden and Anisa Sumlar of the Wellspring Group up this week to talk about collaboration, community, and...learning?? It's a heart-level episode that bounces from the silly to the meaningful and back again--plus, gird up your loins for a couple of Holly's particular soap boxes. You can find resources for your church or small group study at Wellspring Group , or look for their book, Becoming Whole-Hearted , one of Holly's 5-star reads for 2026 so far, out now and available here . Music for Unseriously was composed and produced by Adam Wright, founder of  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Corner Room⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ , a ministry that sets the Bible to music as a tool for memorization and meditation. You can follow The Corner Room on  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ . Find podcast news, behind the scenes, and all things Unseriously  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@hollymacklebooks⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ . See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info .

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