# Unlocking The Drama Triangle with Frankie Kemp

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Published: 2026-05-19T10:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://skotwaldron.com/blog/unlocking-the-drama-triangle-with-frankie-kemp
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## Resource

Most people think breaking free from the Drama Triangle requires forceful confrontation. Frankie Kemp believes the opposite and shows us how understanding the roles of Persecutor, Victim, and Martyr can transform workplace dynamics. In this conversation, Frankie shares real-world examples and personal insights on how to escape the toxic cycle and foster healthier, more productive relationships. We talk about the power of self-awareness, why conflict often spirals, and how simple shifts in mindset can lead to stronger communication. You'll also get actionable strategies you can apply immediately to create a more empowering work environment. If you want to lead or work in a space where collaboration thrives (without the drama), this episode is your guide. Timestamps: 00:00:00 – Intro & Highlights 00:04:42 – The concept of the Drama Triangle 00:07:07 – Identifying Drama in Your Workplace 00:16:19 – Frankie's Personal Experience with the Drama Triangle 00:20:42 – Strategies for Leaders to Foster Healthy Work Relationships 00:30:15 – Danger of Imposter Syndrome at Workplace 00:37:55 – Skot & Frankie Discuss the implications for leaders in the workplace 00:42:08 – Small Shifts to take from now on 00:48:00 – Final Takeaways for the show Website: frankiekemp.com LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/frankiekemp YouTube: youtube.com/c/FrankieKemp Instagram: instagram.com/thefrankiekemp

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