# 96. The 5 Rules for Dealing with Narcissism and Emotional Immaturity Part 2 with Tony Overbay

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Published: 2026-07-21T13:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

In Episode 96, we conclude our amazing two-part conversation with licensed marriage and family therapist Tony Overbay. Building on last week's discussion about the difference between Narcissistic Personality Disorder and extreme emotional immaturity, Tony breaks down his highly requested "five rules" for interacting with a narcissistic or emotionally immature partner. We discuss how to step out of the chaos of co-regulating with an unhealthy partner and learn to hold your ground. We also explore a powerful quote about becoming a "liberator" rather than a "jailer" for your spouse's inner child, helping us reframe emotional immaturity not as a permanent defect, but as a childhood survival skill that has simply outlived its usefulness. In this episode, we cover the 5 Rules: Rule 1: Raise Your Emotional Baseline: Why self-care is not selfish, and how raising your emotional baseline is the required first step to making better relational decisions. Rule 2: Get Your PhD in Gaslighting: How raising your baseline allows you to finally recognize what is and isn't your reality. Rule 3: Get Out of Unproductive Conversations: Learning to step away when interactions are only making you feel crazier. Rule 4: Set Healthy Boundaries: Understanding the critical difference between a true boundary (an "if/then" statement for yourself) and a manipulative ultimatum that threatens an emotionally immature partner's control. Rule 5: Let Go of the "Aha!" Moment: Why you have to stop trying to find the perfect words to force your partner into an epiphany, and accept that you cannot control their realizations. Important Links & Announcements: 🌟 Roommates to Soulmates Group Coaching: Join our growing community! Our group coaching program provides a library of resources, interactive worksheets, and…

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