# 95. Is It Narcissism or Emotional Immaturity? Part 1 with Tony Overbay

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Podcast: [Undressing Intimacy](https://stenobird.com/podcast/undressing-intimacy-7061520)
Published: 2026-07-14T13:00:00+00:00
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Title: Is It Narcissism or Emotional Immaturity? Part 1 with Tony Overbay Episode Description: In Episode 95, we are thrilled to welcome licensed marriage and family therapist Tony Overbay, host of The Virtual Couch and Waking Up to Narcissism . We dive into the widely used buzzword "narcissism" and break down the difference between actual Narcissistic Personality Disorder and extreme emotional immaturity. Tony explains how true narcissism involves a self-esteem that cannot hold on its own, a need for external validation, and a lack of empathy. He also details how a lack of "whole object relations" and "object constancy" prevents people from seeing their partner as a complete person with both good and bad qualities, causing them to toggle between seeing their spouse as perfect or as a "worthless pile of garbage". We also explore the difference between "ego dystonic" behaviors, which cause internal distress because they conflict with who you want to be, and "ego syntonic" behaviors, which feel comfortable and completely justified to the person doing them. This is part one of a two-part conversation, so be sure to tune in next week for the five rules of dealing with narcissism!. In this episode, we cover: Narcissism vs. Emotional Immaturity: Breaking down Eleanor Greenberg's definition of narcissistic traits and understanding why many relationship struggles are actually rooted in extreme emotional immaturity rather than a personality disorder. Object Constancy in Marriage: Why the inability to stay emotionally connected when frustrated causes people to view their partner in extreme black-and-white terms. Ego Syntonic vs. Ego Dystonic: How to recognize when a behavior is at war with how you see yourself (dystonic) versus when you comfortably justify your actions without s…

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