# When Speech Is Violence, Etc. (w/ Matt Welch)

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Published: 2025-09-15T04:15:18+00:00
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## Resource

Matt Welch, co-host of The Fifth Column podcast and editor at large for Reason Magazine , joins Adaam to discuss the aftermath of Charlie Kirk’s assassination. It’s grim. How grim? Very. Get off social media. Turn off your phone. Touch grass. See ya’ll in the gulag. Also: - Matt’s previous visit to Uncertain Things - Adaam on political violence - Adaam and Jonah Goldberg on political violence - Yuval Levin on violence Uncertain Things is hosted and produced by Adaam James Levin-Areddy and Vanessa M. Quirk. For more doomsday thoughts, subscribe to: http://uncertain.substack.com. Get full access to Uncertain Things at uncertain.substack.com/subscribe

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