# Anti-Zionism, Explained (w/ Adam Louis-Klein)

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Podcast: [Uncertain Things](https://stenobird.com/podcast/uncertain-things-1365822)
Published: 2025-11-12T18:45:34+00:00
Episode link: https://uncertain.substack.com/p/anti-zionism-adam-louis-klein
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## Resource

Anthropologist Adam Louis-Klein was in the Amazon on October 9th, when he went online and learned what had happened two days previously. Almost immediately, he also discovered something else: his left-wing colleagues in the academy were ready to ostracize him for his “ filthy Zionist ” views. Since then, Louis-Klein has turned his analytical eye toward anti-Zionism. In this conversation, he explains the ideology’s history and how it continues to perpetuate itself through cycles of libel . He also breaks down the other greatest hits of left-wing academic jargon — settler-colonialism, genocide, occupation, etc. — along the way. And we all try to break ourselves out of the language games that prevent us from having a real conversation about what’s happening, and not, in Gaza. On the agenda: -On Zohran Mamdani [00:00-12:40] -Libel cycles post-October 7th [12:41-29:12] -Defining terms: Zionism, Anti-Zionism, and more [29:13-57:00] -The left’s alliances [57:01-1:10:42] -On victimhood, violence, and self-reliance [1:10:43-1:27:36] -The reader’s/viewer’s responsibility [1:27:37-1:42:41] -Expanding the concept of genocide [1:42:42-2:01:31] -The future of Anti-Zionism [2:01:32-2:09:37] Mentioned in this episode: * When is it Genocide? — The Ezra Klein Show * Editors’ Note: July 30, 2025 — The New York Times * Editors’ Note: Gaza Hospital Coverage — The New York Times * How the World Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Butchery of Jews (w/ Eli Lake) — Uncertain Things * The Apocalypse We Deserve (w/ Niall Ferguson) — Uncertain Things * Don’t Blame Israel on the Jews (w/ Walter Russell Mead) — Uncertain Things * Hooked on Dead Jews (w/ Dara Horn) — Uncertain Things * Zionism and the Refugee Machine (w/ Dr. Einat Wilf) — Uncertain Things Uncertain Things is hosted and produced by…

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