# Ep. 216: The Secret History of the Tarot With Jezmina Von Thiele & Paulina Stevens

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Podcast: [Ultraculture With Jason Louv](https://stenobird.com/podcast/ultraculture-with-jason-louv-174665)
Published: 2024-09-02T08:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://podcast.magick.me/episode/216
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## Resource

Yes hello! In the latest episode of Ultraculture, join Jason Louv as he sits down with Jezmina Von Thiele and Paulina Stevens, co-hosts of the Romanistan Podcast, to delve into the rich and often misunderstood world of Romani culture and fortune-telling. In this thought-provoking episode, Jezmina and Paulina share their unique journeys as Romani women who have turned their cultural heritage into a platform for education and empowerment. They explore the distinct identity of the Roma people, often confused with Romanians or Romans, and emphasize the importance of reclaiming the narrative around their traditions, especially in the realm of fortune-telling. Jezmina, a skilled Tarot, palm, and tea leaf reader, and Paulina, a holistic healer and co-author of Secrets of Romani Fortune Telling, discuss how their diverse backgrounds led to the creation of their podcast, which celebrates Romani culture while challenging pervasive stereotypes. The conversation touches on the impact of historical and contemporary discrimination, the role of intergenerational trauma, and the resilience that shapes their craft. The episode also explores the nuances of divination, with Jezmina and Paulina offering insights into whether psychic abilities are innate or can be cultivated through practice. They delve into the balance between public visibility and cultural security, candidly sharing their experiences advocating for Romani culture while respecting family concerns. Listeners are invited to learn more about this vibrant community and their work by visiting romanistanpodcast.com. This episode is not only an exploration of Romani fortune-telling but also a celebration of a resilient culture often overlooked and misunderstood. Links & Resources: 🌈 Magick.Me - Online School for Magick, Meditati…

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