# Meet the man who ignited N.C.'s biggest political upset ever

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Podcast: [Tying It Together with Tim Boyum](https://stenobird.com/podcast/tying-it-together-with-tim-boyum-18822)
Published: 2026-05-06T05:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nc/charlotte/politics/tying-it-together-with-tim-boyum
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## Resource

On this week's episode of Tying it Together, host Tim Boyum talks with the man who helped ignite one of the biggest upsets in North Carolina political history in this year's primary. Sheriff Sam Page ousted North Carolina's most powerful politician, Senate leader Phil Berger, in March. But for years, Patrick Sebastian worked behind the scenes to help make it happen, risking his entire career.

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