# Episode 23: Kalen Allen on Fame, Identity & Learning To Heal

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Podcast: [Two Personal with Joy Taylor](https://stenobird.com/podcast/two-personal-with-joy-taylor-6822659)
Published: 2026-06-18T16:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Kalen Allen joins Joy Taylor for a vulnerable conversation about growing up queer in Kansas, finding fame through viral videos, working with Ellen, navigating Hollywood, and learning how to build a life rooted in joy instead of proving people wrong.   0:00 – Welcome Kalen Allen + the Interstellar Detour 3:53 – Turning 30 and Letting Go of Old Personas 7:00 – The Real Reason He Wanted Fame 12:31 – Coming Out, Family & Choosing Joy Over Tragedy 18:13 – The Mask: Performing Through Pain 24:04 – Beyoncé, Faith & Finding God on His Own Terms 32:02 – The Black Church, Pride Month & "Why Won't You Show Up for Us?" 38:26 – Love, Solitude & Wanting Kids on His Own Terms 45:05 – Hustle, Legacy & Opinion vs. Critique 53:30 – Setting the Record Straight on Ellen 1:01:52 – What's Next for Kalen See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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