# What does systems change look like from the inside out?

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Podcast: [Two Inconvenient Women](https://stenobird.com/podcast/two-inconvenient-women-7014979)
Published: 2026-05-15T08:52:39+00:00
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Whilst systems-change, systems-thinking and systems-transformation are becoming much more common terms used in conversations these days, discussions around 'inner systems change' are only just beginning to emerge in more public discourse. When we start to focus on systems change from the inside out, it is an invitation into introspection and exploring some of the habits, mindsets, behaviours and thought patterns that may be keeping us stuck in external behaviours contributing to many of the crises we face. This sort of 'inner work' - as it is often coined - can feel overwhelming, yet offers a doorway into profound change in the wider world as well as within ourselves, and begins by simply paying attention. In this week's episode we dive into the connections between inner and outer systems transformation, with the appreciation that how we think, feel and connect with the world shapes our outward actions. We talk about our own personal journeys, struggles and growth points in the journey of systems change, and how the Triple WellBeing approach that sits at the heart of ThoughtBox is an invitation to be working from the inside out and outside in at the same time. In this episode we reference the following: Theory U - The Presencing Institute / Otto Scharmer (book & website) Thinking in Systems - Donella Meadows (book) The work of Joanna Macy (website / books) Zen and the Art of Saving the Planet - Thich Nhat Hanh (book) Impossible Choices - Gregory Bateson (article) Warm Data - Nora Bateson (website) The Triple WellBeing Framework (PDF / website) ______________ There's an inconvenient movement growing... It's not rebellion, exactly. More of a quiet refusal to look away. We're  inconvenient. And if you feel it, then maybe you are too. Join us. Join The Inconv…

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