# From Vintage Chardonnay to Chinese Cabernet

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Podcast: [Two Guys Talking Wine](https://stenobird.com/podcast/two-guys-talking-wine-49180)
Published: 2026-05-05T15:01:28+00:00
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## Resource

Judging 130 Chardonnays, the Canadian Wine Library, and a Surprise Chinese Cabernet Gernischt André and Michael reunite over drinks after time apart, starting with André’s experience judging about 130 Chardonnays for the Experts Tasting alongside winemakers, sommeliers, and an LCBO rep, and his visit to the Canadian Wine Library at Brock University, where he tasted older wines and brought home a 2002 Stoney Ridge unoaked Chardonnay that held up surprisingly well, prompting discussion about Ontario Chardonnay aging potential and producers. They taste Divergence 2023 MRV (Marsanne, Roussanne, Viognier) by Jeff Moote and discuss Northern Rhône-style whites in Ontario and across Canada, then open a high-end Chinese Cabernet Gernischt (noted as genetically the same as Carménère), assessing its profile and questioning its approximate $400+ equivalent pricing. They also sample Georgian AVVOP brandy and a 7% JP Wiser’s x Canada Dry whisky-ginger RTD, and preview upcoming interviews and a possible Substack focused on researched wine criticism. Learn about the Canadian Wine Libary here - https://brocku.ca/ccovi/canadian-wine-library/ Stoney Ridge wines here - https://www.stoneyridge.com/ Divergence Wines here - https://divergencewines.ca/ JP Wisers here - https://www.jpwisers.com/ You can support us on Patreon here - https://www.patreon.com/2guystalkingwine ... $5/month members NOW get exclusive content. See Patreon page for details. You can email André at andre@andrewinereview.ca and follow him on Instagram here - @andrewinerview You can email Michael at michael@michaelpinkuswinereview.com and follow him on Instagram here - @thegrapeguy Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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