# He 2x'd Instagram's valuation in 3 Days: Why Nothing About AI Is Settled Yet || John Lilly

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Podcast: [TruthWorks](https://stenobird.com/podcast/truthworks-6820723)
Published: 2026-07-21T13:00:00+00:00
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John Lilly has had a front row seat to almost every major shift in technology over the last thirty years, and he has sat in almost every chair while it happened. He was a Senior Scientist at Apple in 1997, when the market cap was two billion dollars and most people assumed the company was finished. He co-founded Reactivity, later acquired by Cisco. He became CEO of Mozilla and led Firefox past 450 million users, running an open source nonprofit at a time when nobody else in Silicon Valley wa...

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