# TIL 576: Conquering Addiction (feat. Jon Okinaga)

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Podcast: [Truth in Love](https://stenobird.com/podcast/truth-in-love-896)
Published: 2026-07-13T08:00:00+00:00
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Duration seconds: 1491

## Resource

What is the difference between traditional addiction recovery programs and biblical discipleship? On this episode, Dr. Johnson and Dr. Okinaga talk through the importance of building relationships and the importance of investing time for the recovering addict. They walk through common failures of traditional recovery programs, and how Christians can understand addiction as a worship issue. Chapters 02:05 - Traditional Recovery Programs 04:29 - Failures of Traditional Recovery Programs 08:47 - Obstacles in the Church 12:09 - Discipleship Strategy and Time Investment 16:39 - Heart Changes and Repentance 20:21 - Addiction as an Issue of Worship Outro - Continuing Education Units (CEUs) in Biblical Counseling

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