# TIL 569: Psychedelics and Presidential Orders (feat. Matt Rehrer)

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Podcast: [Truth in Love](https://stenobird.com/podcast/truth-in-love-896)
Published: 2026-05-25T08:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Dale Johnson and Matt Rehrer sit down to discuss the topic of psychedelics, particularly in light of a recent presidential order. The discussion covers the scientific, historical, philosophical, and biblical aspects of psychedelics, as well as the practical approach to counseling individuals using them. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Psychedelics and Mental Health 11:26 The Science and Risks of Ibogaine 17:16 What Does the Bible Say About Intoxication? 22:49 A Christian Response to Psychedelics Matt Rehrer is one of the Pre-Conference speakers at this year's Annual Conference The Pre-Conference is dedicated to 'Counseling the Hard Cases', exploring particularly complex case studies and assessing how to counsel through a biblical lens. We hope you'll join us in-person or virtually this October in Germantown, TN. You can learn more and register today HERE.

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