# Trust in Wartime: Choosing Authority When the State Fails

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Podcast: [TrustTalk - It's all about Trust](https://stenobird.com/podcast/trusttalk-it-s-all-about-trust-7064551)
Published: 2025-12-16T06:30:19+00:00
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Our guest, Mara Revkin, a leading scholar of governance and justice in conflict zones, talks about how civilians make trust decisions when the state collapses and armed groups take control. Drawing on fieldwork and survey research in places such as Mosul, this conversation challenges the idea that trust in wartime is driven by ideology or belief. Instead, it shows how trust under extreme conditions is often pragmatic. Civilians compare dangerous alternatives and look for the authority that appears more predictable, less arbitrary, and more likely to follow its own rules. The episode explores why predictability and procedural fairness can matter more than political values or formal freedoms. Even harsh systems of rule may generate compliance when courts function quickly, corruption is limited, and rules are applied consistently. This does not produce genuine legitimacy, but it can feel safer than alternatives marked by chaos or bribery. We also discuss how civilians navigate situations of competitive governance, where states and armed groups both claim authority. Trust becomes relative rather than absolute and is shaped by everyday experiences with justice, security, and basic services. This form of trust is fragile and erodes quickly when governance becomes more coercive or unpredictable. The conversation examines how military conduct affects civilian perceptions during active conflict. Civilians judge armed actors by perceived intent, proportionality, and communication. Harm that is poorly explained or left uncompensated can undermine trust, even when unintended, while material compensation often matters more than apologies alone. Finally, the episode turns to post-conflict justice and reintegration. Externally imposed solutions often struggle to gain trust when commu…

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