# Did Mackenzie Shirilla and Her Mom Use a Secret Code to Fool Police?

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Podcast: [True Crime Today | Daily True Crime News & Interviews](https://stenobird.com/podcast/true-crime-today-daily-true-crime-news-interviews-568948)
Published: 2026-06-06T01:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://audioboom.com/posts/8912443
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## Resource

Prosecutors hired a team to decode phone calls between Mackenzie Shirilla and her mother Natalie — calls where the two spoke in a private language built to hide what they were saying on monitored lines. What they found became evidence at trial. The coded communication is one piece of a larger pattern now laid bare by recorded prison calls and institutional records released in the wake of the Netflix documentary The Crash. Mackenzie, convicted of killing Dominic Russo and Davion Flanagan after driving into a Strongsville building at approximately one hundred miles per hour, has accumulated thirty-six conduct violations behind bars. On recorded calls from inside the Ohio Reformatory for Women, she refers to herself as the third person harmed by the crash. She tells her mother she does not need rehabilitation. She wants an iPad. She wants to be a life coach. She trashes the town that lost two of its young people and calls the residents sad and depressing. And Natalie matches her at every turn. She calls the Russo family “evil” for their victim impact statements. She tells Mackenzie that rehabilitation is for “actual criminals” — not her. She mocks Angelo Russo’s court statement and says it made her own sympathy disappear. Steve Shirilla, on administrative leave from a Cleveland Catholic school after the documentary aired, argues his daughter’s innocence on a podcast while the judge’s verdict — “controlled, methodical, deliberate, intentional and purposeful” — remains a matter of public record. Tony Brueski traces the through line from the coded calls to the prison record to the family’s public statements and asks the question the evidence keeps answering: when no one in a person’s life will hold them accountable, what reason would they ever have to change? Links: Join Our…

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