# CO-HOST | Make Money by Understanding Your Real Value in Business and Exposure Deals

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Podcast: [Travis Makes Money](https://stenobird.com/podcast/travis-makes-money-6588893)
Published: 2026-05-31T09:15:00+00:00
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## Resource

In this episode, Travis and producer Eric dive into one of the most controversial conversations in entrepreneurship and creator culture: should you ever work for exposure? Using a viral post from a balloon company that turned down a celebrity collaboration opportunity, the two unpack the difference between ego and strategy, how to evaluate value in business relationships, and why exposure can sometimes be far more valuable than immediate payment. Along the way, they discuss podcast growth, brand positioning, negotiating leverage, and the dangerous mindset traps that keep small businesses stuck. On this episode we talk about: Whether working for exposure is ever actually worth it How small businesses misunderstand value and leverage Why credibility and audience attention are powerful business assets The role ego plays in business decision-making How creators and entrepreneurs should evaluate opportunities strategically Top 3 Takeaways Exposure is not always worthless — when attached to the right brand or audience, it can create opportunities and credibility that far outweigh short-term payment. Business owners need to honestly evaluate where the value in a relationship is flowing instead of making emotionally driven decisions. Strategic thinking and long-term positioning often matter more than maximizing immediate profit on every transaction. Notable Quotes “Your number one barrier to growth as a small business is exposure.” “Money is only one value lever in business.” “Know your worth doesn’t mean pretend you’re more valuable than you are.” Connect with Travis Chappell: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/travischappell LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/travischappell Other: https://travischappell.com A Word from Our Sponsors: - Are you ready to start your own cre…

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