# Who Will Be the Bill Gates of Perception? feat. Kojo Karam

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Podcast: [TRASHFUTURE](https://stenobird.com/podcast/trashfuture-1055117)
Published: 2026-07-14T10:58:38+00:00
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## Resource

Kojo Koram, author of "The Next Fix: The Winners and Losers in the Future of Drugs," joins us to discuss what comes next after the War On Drugs and how capital intends to colonise this new frontier… and why Brewdog is involved (again!) Before that though, we discuss Farage’s latest victim stunt and discuss a VERY real company—perhaps one of the realest in history. Pre-order Kojo's book here! Get more TF episodes each week by subscribing to our Patreon here! RILEY ALERT Check out No Gods, No Mayors here! HUSSEIN ALERT Check out 10k Posts here! MILO ALERT Check out Milo's tour dates here:https://www.miloedwards.co.uk/liveshows NATE ALERT Nate's band Second Homes has just released their debut album and you can stream it for free here!Trashfuture are: Riley (@raaleh), Milo (@Milo_Edwards), Hussein (@HKesvani), Nate (@inthesedeserts), and November (@postoctobrist)

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