# Why Values on a Wall Aren't Enough: From Lean Startup to Incorruptible with Eric Ries

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Published: 2026-06-10T14:56:00+00:00
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## Resource

Eric Ries, creator of the Lean Startup methodology and founder of the Long-Term Stock Exchange, has spent 15 years helping companies build products — and watching those companies get quietly hollowed out. His new book, Incorruptible, is a response to what he's seen: mission-driven companies that get taken over by the gravitational pull of shareholder primacy, one compromise at a time. In this episode, Eric breaks down the difference between Lean Startup as a set of tactics (which fail when copied blindly) versus the underlying principles — and how that same confusion destroys companies at scale. He shares the two-dimensional framework from Incorruptible: the inner ethos that makes a company trustworthy, and the structural integrity that keeps outside pressure from crushing it. The story of Saul Price — who built what became Costco, only to be locked out of his own office — is a case study every founder needs to hear. A must-watch for executives who want their company to survive not just the next quarter, but the next generation of leadership.

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