# “What Did These People Think Would Happen?”

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Podcast: [To The Contrary with Charlie Sykes](https://stenobird.com/podcast/to-the-contrary-with-charlie-sykes-7201870)
Published: 2026-04-21T09:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://shows.acast.com/to-the-contrary/episodes/69e6c7a0c8a506316d977ab8
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Duration seconds: 2775

## Resource

Tom Nichols, Atlantic staff writer and author of The Death of Expertise, joins Charlie to discuss the anti-vax movement, the continuing crisis with Iran, and why Trump and his cabinet are "melting down."  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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