# Trump Tried to Rewire Society. Trump Failed.

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Podcast: [To The Contrary with Charlie Sykes](https://stenobird.com/podcast/to-the-contrary-with-charlie-sykes-7201870)
Published: 2026-07-25T09:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://shows.acast.com/to-the-contrary/episodes/6a63d1838c6152b11fb1f59c
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## Resource

Jonathan Rauch is a Brookings Institution Senior Fellow and a contributing writer at The Atlantic . In this episode, he joins Charlie to explain how the "postmodern right" thinks it can manipulate reality, how Trump's people thought they could change civil society — and why all of this is failing. They also discuss the continuing casualties from the war with Iran, Trump's obsession with numbers, and Lindsey Graham's legacy. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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