# How Trump Chose War with Iran, a Political History with Robert Malley and Stephen Wertheim

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Podcast: [Time To Say Goodbye](https://stenobird.com/podcast/time-to-say-goodbye-29744)
Published: 2026-03-09T22:20:27+00:00
Episode link: https://goodbye.substack.com/p/how-trump-chose-war-with-iran-a-political
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Hello! Today we’re fast-tracking an episode just so we keep on pace with breaking news and bring you a talk with Robert Malley, a lecturer at the Yale Jackson School who worked as a lead negotiator on the 2015 Obama Iran Nuclear Deal, and Stephen Wertheim, a historian of US foreign policy and one of the best follows on Twitter . They discuss the recent op-ed they authored in the Times and lay out what happened a historical perspective on the past ten years of diplomacy, Trump’s turn, and pretty much everything you really should know about what’s going on in Iran. Very informative episode, take a listen. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit goodbye.substack.com/subscribe

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