# Stop Giving Away Your Energy: Phil Johnson on the Real ROI of Emotional Intelligence, EP 257

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Podcast: [Thriving Practice with Tracy Cherpeski](https://stenobird.com/podcast/thriving-practice-with-tracy-cherpeski-3530340)
Published: 2026-05-20T08:05:00+00:00
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Duration seconds: 2547

## Resource

In this episode, Tracy Cherpeski sits down with returning guest Phil Johnson, founder of the Master Business Leadership program, for a direct and data-driven conversation about emotional intelligence and why most high-achieving healthcare professionals have barely scratched the surface of developing it.

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