# #44 — Product-Led Playbook, ft. Wes Bush

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Podcast: [Thrivecast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/thrivecast-6591286)
Published: 2024-10-12T13:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://www.hybridgtm.com/p/44-product-led-playbook-ft-wes-bush
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## Resource

In a lively discussion, three voices in the SaaS world came together to talk about the future of product-led growth (PLG): Wes Bush , the bestselling author of Product-Led Growth and the creator of the PLG system ; Vincent Young , VP at Dealfront and author of Product-Led Sales ; and Peter Wheeler , a product growth expert. With Wes Bush preparing to release his new book- The Product-Led Playbook , the session explored the complexities and challenges that come with adopting a PLG approach. The conversation was a reality check for many—a closer look into why PLG isn't just a buzzword, but a strategic shift that comes with its own hurdles. The speakers tackled everything from onboarding pains and pricing transparency to navigating the fine line between product-led and sales-led approaches . If you’ve ever wondered why only a small percentage of PLG companies achieve significant self-serve revenue or why onboarding can make or break your product, you’ve come to the right podcast! Listen now on Apple , Spotify , Castbox , Google and YouTube . Understanding PLG Challenges Wes Bush brought an honest perspective to the session, highlighting the reality of implementing a product-led growth (PLG) strategy. Despite the buzz, PLG isn't an easy path. Wes noted that only around 5% of PLG companies break through to reach more than $10 million in self-serve revenue. The reason? It’s not a lack of demand. 97% of buyers want to try before they buy. But while the market clearly favors self-serve models, many SaaS builders struggle to deliver on this effectively. A key issue is distinguishing between the buyer and the user . Buyers seek to understand the product before purchasing, while users are the ones interacting with it daily. This distinction often leads to what Wes calls "cross-wi…

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