# Unlearning, experimentation and engineering rigor in an agentic world

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Podcast: [Thoughtworks Technology Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/thoughtworks-technology-podcast-1060653)
Published: 2026-02-05T17:09:00+00:00
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## Resource

In a world that's being transformed by AI agents and agentic systems, how do software developers unlearn what they know while also maintaining engineering rigor? In an in-person conversation with Nathen Harvey, Developer Relations Engineer at Google Cloud, and Patrick Debois, Developer Relations at Tessl, host Ken Mugrage dives into the ways individuals, teams and organizations are walking the line between experimentation and well-established engineering practices as they seek to innovate while ensuring resilience, reliability and security. Thoughtworks is a platinum sponsor of the 2025 DORA report: https://www.thoughtworks.com/en-us/insights/reports/the-2025-dora-report

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