# POP LIFE BEYOND THE BREAKDOWN: 30 YEARS IN HEAVY MUSIC ft. SCOTT MELLINGER OF ZAO

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Published: 2026-07-17T10:00:00+00:00
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Get Zao music directly from Bandcamp!: https://officialzao.bandcamp.com/music Scott Mellinger has spent more than three decades helping shape underground heavy music through his work with Zao, Creation Is Crucifixion, and a host of other projects. In this conversation, we look back at the evolution of metalcore and hardcore, the DIY ethos that sustained the scene, the changing music industry, songwriting, creativity, faith, politics, and what it takes to remain relevant without chasing trends after 30-plus years. Check out our new bi-weekly series, "The Crisis Papers" here: https://www.patreon.com/bitterlakepresents/shop READ THE WEEKLY TIR NEWSLETTER HERE: https://www.patreon.com/collection/1853497 Thank you guys again for taking the time to check this out. We appreciate each and everyone of you. If you have the means, and you feel so inclined, BECOME A PATRON! We're creating patron only programing, you'll get bonus content from many of the episodes, and you get MERCH! Become a patron now https://www.patreon.com/join/BitterLakePresents? Please also like, subscribe, and follow us on these platforms as well, (specially YouTube!) THANKS Y'ALL YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCG9WtLyoP9QU8sxuIfxk3eg Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Thisisrevolutionpodcast/ Twitter: @TIRShowOakland Instagram: @thisisrevolutionoakland Substack: https://jmylesoftir.substack.com/.../the-money-will-roll... Read Jason Myles in Current Affairs Magazine here: https://www.currentaffairs.org/.../donald-trump-is-a-pro... Read Jason Myles in Damage Magazine https://damagemag.com/2023/11/07/the-man-who-sold-the-world/ Read Jason in Black Agenda Report: https://www.blackagendareport.com/rainbow-and-machine

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