# The Leadership Lessons You Learn the Hard Way

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Podcast: [Thinking Deeply about Primary Education](https://stenobird.com/podcast/thinking-deeply-about-primary-education-3470150)
Published: 2026-07-25T04:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/kieran-mackle/episodes/The-Leadership-Lessons-You-Learn-the-Hard-Way-e3mg8am
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