# Katie Novak on Why UDL Is Not the Goal—but the Tool for Equity

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Podcast: [Think Inclusive](https://stenobird.com/podcast/think-inclusive-316100)
Published: 2025-12-29T15:33:54+00:00
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Katie Novak is an internationally recognized education consultant, author, and expert in Universal Design for Learning. She teaches at the University of Pennsylvania and leads Novak Education, helping schools and districts disrupt inequitable systems and embrace inclusive practices. Katie is also a mom of four and a passionate advocate for public education. In this episode, Katie explains why UDL should be seen as a mindset rather than a checklist and how it can dismantle systemic inequities. She uses vivid analogies—like camping trips and tax filing—to illustrate flexibility and access in learning environments. Katie also shares her personal journey from being a struggling student to becoming an education leader, thanks to one teacher’s high expectations. The conversation explores the nuances of inclusion versus inclusive practice, the importance of systemic support for educators, and why high expectations and hope matter most for students. Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/katie-novak-on-why-udl-is-not-the-goal-but-the-tool-for-equity-1315/

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