# Episode 8 : Part 2 - Multi-Domain Operations - From Concept to Practice with Col Elizabeth Pham

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Podcast: [Think.Fight.Learn.Repeat.](https://stenobird.com/podcast/think-fight-learn-repeat-7782308)
Published: 2026-05-11T20:28:37+00:00
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## Resource

In Part 2 of our conversation with Colonel Elizabeth Pham, we go deeper into how NATO’s Multi-Domain Operations course is transforming the way warfighters think, decide, and act in contested environments. Colonel Pham explains how the course moves beyond doctrine and PowerPoint to immerse students in AI-enabled planning, kill web design, cyber and space integration, and resilient command and control. We discuss how students use tools like Maven Smart System to build and test real-time operational concepts under pressure such as fighting through cyber attacks, electronic warfare, satellite denial, and information manipulation. This episode also explores the human side of innovation, why changing mindsets is harder than adopting technology, how leaders build intuition in complex adaptive systems, and why future conflicts will be decided by action and decision advantage rather than platform superiority. If Part 1 introduced the vision, Part 2 shows how that vision is being turned into practical warfighting capability across the Alliance.

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