# Edge Cases with Phil Koopman

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Podcast: [There Auto Be A Law](https://stenobird.com/podcast/there-auto-be-a-law-5505020)
Published: 2026-07-16T07:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Phil Koopman is back. Federal regulators warned autonomous vehicle operators to fix dangerous interactions with first responders and promised meetings and recall pressure, sparking debate over NHTSA’s limited tools and the need to preserve state enforcement of driving behavior. A deep dive reframed “edge cases” as situations vehicles aren’t trained to handle—often not rare and sometimes severe—arguing geofencing and databases aren’t foolproof, while remote assistance looks like a permanent crutch with its own failure modes. There’s also a bright congestion-pricing win in NYC for ambulance times, plus recalls for Kia Telluride fire risk, Honda Odyssey camera corrosion, and Ram 1500 headlamp flicker. Support Safety! https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/av-developers-automated-vehicle-that-cannot-safely-interact-first-responders-danger https://philkoopman.substack.com/p/nhtsa-broadens-scope-of-acceptable https://avsafety.substack.com/p/edge-cases-and-the-long-tail-of-safety https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/phil-junko-on-av-safety/id1894854190 https://waymo.com/blog/2026/07/time-geo-crash-risk-effect/ https://www.jalopnik.com/2212493/nyc-congestion-pricing-cut-ems-response-times-by-one-minute/ https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2026/RCLRPT-26V430-6699.pdf https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2026/RCLRPT-26V423-4353.pdf https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2026/RCLRPT-26V421-4385.pdf

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