# 508: Ancestral Wisdom + Trauma Therapy: Healing Our Roots with Dick Schwartz, Phd & Thomas Hübl,  Thomas Hübl, Phd

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Podcast: [Therapy Chat](https://stenobird.com/podcast/therapy-chat-215844)
Published: 2025-12-09T02:00:48+00:00
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## Resource

This week's Therapy Chat features two leaders in our field, Thomas Hubl, PhD and Dick Schwartz, PhD speaking about the importance of including a collective lens in trauma work. In this conversation, we explored the interdependence of individual and collective healing, the distinction between spirituality and religion, and the importance of addressing legacy burdens and cultural trauma. We talk about the popular culture's view of healing and how our culture promotes spiritual bypass through "quick fix" approaches to wellness. Listen in to this inspiring conversation with these two leaders. Key Takeaways from this Episode: Individual and collective healing are interdependent. Spirituality is distinct from religion and can be healing. Healing can occur more rapidly in group settings. Legacy burdens from ancestors can impact current generations. Cultural trauma needs to be addressed for healing to occur. Time alone does not heal wounds; action is required. We must both confront experiences of victimization and hold ourselves accountable for the harm we cause. Healing requires acknowledging the complexity of human nature. Collective healing can lead to societal transformation. About this week's guests: Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating modern science with the insights of humanity’s wisdom traditions. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on collective trauma. He is the author of Healing Collective Trauma and Attuned, a coach for executives and leaders, and a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard. He is the co-founder of the NGOs the Pocket Project and Global Restoration Institute, which facilitate dialogue around col…

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