# Erik Verlinde: Gravity Is Not Fundamental, It Is Entropic

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Podcast: [Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal](https://stenobird.com/podcast/theories-of-everything-with-curt-jaimungal-380149)
Published: 2026-02-16T18:47:00+00:00
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What if gravity is just entropy in disguise? Professor Erik Verlinde joins me to argue that gravity isn't a fundamental force—it's thermodynamic, emerging from quantum information the way gas pressure emerges from molecules bouncing around. We explore why spacetime may be stitched together by entanglement, and how dark energy and dark matter both pop out automatically without extra particles or parameters. Verlinde explains why the cosmological constant problem is a red herring, and why there may be no final theory of physics. When asked where the universe comes from, his answer is one word: chaos. SUPPORT: - Support me on Substack: https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/subscribe - Support me on Crypto: https://commerce.coinbase.com/checkout/de803625-87d3-4300-ab6d-85d4258834a9 - Support me on PayPal: https://www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=XUBHNMFXUX5S4 JOIN MY SUBSTACK (Personal Writings): https://curtjaimungal.substack.com LISTEN ON SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4e TIMESTAMPS: - 00:00:00 - Thermodynamic Gravity and Information - 00:06:35 - Beyond Effective Field Theory - 00:13:08 - Turtles All The Way Down - 00:25:41 - Entropy as a Force - 00:36:31 - Entanglement and Spatial Connectivity - 00:47:31 - Deriving Inertia and F=ma - 00:56:41 - De Sitter Space Challenges - 01:02:01 - Dark Matter and Milgram - 01:11:51 - The Emergence of Time - 01:21:01 - Statistical Gravity Fluctuations - 01:27:01 - Quantum Computational Complexity - 01:36:01 - Physics Intuition and Mentorship - 01:47:31 - Beauty, Garbage, and Chaos LINKS MENTIONED: Papers, books, websites: - https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=Tm64-J0AAAAJ - https://journals.aps.org/prb/pdf/10.1103/PhysRevB.4.3174 - https://arxiv.org/abs/1001.0785 - https://arxiv.org/abs/1611.02269…

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