# The Realest Fake Thing That Never Was (w/ Eshwar Segobind)

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Podcast: [The ZDoggMD Show](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-zdoggmd-show-743248)
Published: 2025-12-15T19:26:00+00:00
Episode link: https://www.youtube.com/live/hrV1D0GFNgg
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## Resource

Live conversation with Eshwar Segobind. We talk about why love skeptics become love advocates, the trauma response that becomes 'you,' why babies cry at birth (cosmic joke alert), and the nature of the clown chakra. Plus: there's a lot of duality in non-duality 😉 Our previous conversation is here. https://lnk.bio/zdoggmd for all the things. 00:00 Opening - The Creator and Clown Chakras 02:05 "There's a Lot of Duality in Non-Duality" 04:10 The Love Skeptic's Journey 07:00 Emptying to Be Filled with Love 10:00 The Child and the Immune Response 14:00 Seeing Love Everywhere 17:00 The Realest Fake Thing That Never Was 21:00 Trauma Response as the Self 28:00 Why Zubin Became ZDoggMD (Protection Mechanism) 30:14 "We're Already Dead - Now What?" 33:00 Devotion and True Prostration 39:00 The Cosmic Joke of Rebirth (Baby's First Cry) 42:00 Best Birth Buddies and Spiritual Gurus 45:00 Shadow Work Can't Be Avoided 49:00 The Child Calling You Home 56:00 Kathy Nails It: "Zubin is the Original Child" 1:00:00 Grocery Store Analogy and Payment Due 1:05:00 Buddhism and the Seeker's Problem 1:11:00 Everything Points Back to Love 1:17:00 Nihilism to Fullness Journey 1:23:00 The Projection Game 1:30:00 Depersonalization 1:36:00 2D Vision and Sensory Experiences 1:42:00 Two Nuts in a Sack (Closing) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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