# Why Palestine is ‘the red pill’, with Francesca Albanese

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Published: 2025-08-07T05:00:31+00:00
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This episode is brought to you by Shared Interest . Share your thoughts on this series by filling out our listener survey. Considered persona non-grata by Israel, Francesca Albanese is perhaps one of the most hated – and admired – figures in the United Nations today. Unlike many Western diplomats, the Italian human rights lawyer and UN Special Rapporteur on the occupied Palestinian territories has called Israel ’s assault on Gaza a genocide, and she has urged Israel ’s suspension from the UN. This stance has made her a target of smear campaigns, with the US mission to the UN accusing Albanese of ‘antisemitic hatred and impartiality’ when her term was renewed in April. For our latest issue on the UN at 80 co-editor Bethany Rielly interviewed Albanese, who appears to place more faith in grassroots power than in the UN’s headquarters. Hosts: Maxine Betteridge-Moes, Bethany Rielly Guest: Francesca Albanese, United Nations Special Rapporteur on the occupied Palestinian territories Credits: Maxine Betteridge-Moes (Producer, Digital Editor), Amy Hall, Bethany Rielly, Conrad Landin, Nick Dowson (Co-Editors), Paula Lacey (Editorial Assistant), Samuel Rafanell-Williams (Sound Design), Nazik Hamza (Audio Editor), Mari Fouz (Logo Design) Read NI556: Disunited Nations Further reading from this episode: To end the Gaza genocide, the Global South takes justice into its own hands (Kate McMahon, New Internationalist) Fiddling while Gaza burns (Hamza Yusuf, New Internationalist - subscribe to read) Global leadership vetoed (Conrad Landin, New Internationalist) Criminalized on campus: The UK students taking action for Gaza (Paula Lacey, New Internationalist) Avoid Amazon by shopping at New Internationalist’s very own Ethical Shop No billionaires. No media moguls. No corporate ads. Just t…

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