# Navigating a Multiplex World Order Page: https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-world-stage-6616587/navigating-a-multiplex-world-order Text version: https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-world-stage-6616587/navigating-a-multiplex-world-order.md Podcast: [The World Stage](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-world-stage-6616587) Published: 2026-04-10T11:42:05+00:00 Episode link: https://www.nupi.no/en/media-appearances/podcasts Audio file: https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/61e7dd4277c0270013a926af/e/69d8e20e70ac05a05ad94bd9/media.mp3 Processing state: not_requested JSON: https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/the-world-stage-6616587/episodes/navigating-a-multiplex-world-order Duration seconds: 1599 ## Resource Is the liberal international order coming to an end, and what follows the era of American hegemony? In this episode of  The World Stage , Senior Research Fellow  Wrenn Yennie Lindgren (NUPI) sits down with  Manjeet Pardesi , Associate Professor of International Relations at Victoria University of Wellington, to explore the shifting foundations of global politics. Drawing on his award-winning book,  Divergent Worlds , co-authored with Amitav Acharya, Pardesi introduces the concept of a  "multiplex world order" . Unlike traditional hegemonic or multipolar systems, a multiplex order is defined by its complexity, where non-great powers exercise significant agency and order is shaped by both material power and diverse ideas. The discussion delves into how history can provide a roadmap for our uncertain future. Pardesi contrasts the  ancient Mediterranean , a paradigmatic case of hegemonic order under Rome, with the  ancient Indian Ocean , which flourished as a non-hegemonic, pluralistic trading system. Key highlights of the episode include: The Rise of India:  An analysis of India’s grand strategy, its "status anxiety" regarding China, and its quest to recover its historical standing as a global power. Southeast Asia as pluralistic order:  Pardesi points to Southeast Asia as an example of a pluralistic regional order today, with no single center. As he states: "The region is a mix of democracies and non-democracies that engage with each other. It is a plural world that seems viable despite having no core". The Power of Small States:  How countries like  Norway and New Zealand  can act as "connector states," spearheading high-quality trade agreements and navigating complex international identities. Variabl… ## Actions - request_transcript: `POST https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/the-world-stage-6616587/episodes/navigating-a-multiplex-world-order/transcription-requests` — Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode. - read_markdown: `GET https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-world-stage-6616587/navigating-a-multiplex-world-order.md` — Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource. A page view does not enqueue transcription. Agents should invoke `request_transcript` explicitly when they need this episode processed. ## Transcript Full transcripts are not published on public pages unless there is a clear rights basis.