# What Woke People Get Wrong About Fascism - James Lindsay

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Podcast: [The Winston Marshall Show](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-winston-marshall-show-6768213)
Published: 2026-07-14T18:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

In this episode of The Winston Marshall Show, I sit down with author and political commentator James Lindsay to explore what fascism really is, why it's so widely misunderstood, and whether elements of it are re-emerging in the modern West. We discuss Mussolini, Hitler, the CCP, stakeholder capitalism, the World Economic Forum, DEI, and the political misuse of the word "fascist." LIVE EVENT: Is Islam compatible with the West? Get your discounted first release tickets now before they sell out: https://winstonmarshall.eventbrite.co.uk I can’t wait for you to join us in London for one of the most important debates of our time. Our show is independently supported by you, consider signing up to our substack to get added benefits like ad-free and extended episodes here: https://www.winstonmarshall.co.uk/ Chapters 00:00 Trailers 01:56 Mussolini & The Origins Of Fascism10:45 Was Fascism Socialist?14:42 Italian Fascism vs Nazism20:00 Why Some Jews Supported Early Fascism22:16 Was Hitler Really A Fascist?30:00 Nazi Germany & National Socialism41:40 Why Everyone Gets Called A Fascist45:39 Is China A Fascist State?55:42 Does Fascism Exist In The West Today?

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