# The Basement: Joseph Matheny | The Man Who Hacked Reality Before the Internet Existed

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Podcast: [The Why Files: Operation Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-why-files-operation-podcast-5570241)
Published: 2026-06-01T09:00:00+00:00
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Duration seconds: 10415

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