# 489: Michael Easter—The Hard Way

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Podcast: [The Way I Heard It with Mike Rowe](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-way-i-heard-it-with-mike-rowe-558009)
Published: 2026-06-16T10:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Why do so many of the things that make us stronger, healthier, and happier require doing things the hard way? Mike sits down with bestselling author, journalist, and researcher Michael Easter to explore the surprising benefits of discomfort, challenge, and voluntary hardship in a world engineered for convenience. Easter, whose work has appeared in Men's Health , Outside , Esquire , and Scientific American , discusses the ideas behind his bestselling books The Comfort Crisis and Scarcity Brain , along with his newest release, Walk with Weight: The Definitive Guide to Rucking . From carrying heavy loads to carrying life's burdens, Michael explains why the easiest path is rarely the most rewarding—and why embracing difficulty might be the key to a better life. Tip o' the hat to our excellent sponsors GoodRanchers.com Purchase any Father's Day Gift Box and get FREE Wagyu Burgers. Pestie.com/Mike to get an extra 10% off your order. K12.com/Rowe See what's possible for your child with K12's Career and College Prep NetSuite.AI/Mike to try NetSuite Next for FREE!

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