# 466: Winn Claybaugh—Hairdressers Rule the World

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Podcast: [The Way I Heard It with Mike Rowe](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-way-i-heard-it-with-mike-rowe-558009)
Published: 2026-01-27T11:00:00+00:00
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Duration seconds: 4783

## Resource

Mike sits down with the dean and co-founder of Paul Mitchell Schools to talk about how an industry built on scissors, sinks, and human connection quietly shapes culture, opportunity, and second chances. Known by just about everyone who's met him as relentlessly—and genuinely—nice, Winn shares his improbable journey from former meth addict to one of the most influential educators in beauty, his deep commitment to philanthropy, and the philosophy behind his book Be Nice (or Else!) . It's a conversation about redemption, dignity in work, and the unexpected people who end up running the world—one haircut at a time.

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