# Ep. 178 - Thomas Hatsis - Psychedelic Mystery Traditions, Witches & Magic

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Podcast: [The Universe Within Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-universe-within-podcast-1273864)
Published: 2025-12-17T13:30:00+00:00
Episode link: https://jasongrechanik.com/podcast/thomas-hatsis
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## Resource

Hey everybody! Episode 178 of the show is out. In this episode, I spoke with Thomas Hatsis. Thomas’ books were recommended to me a few times and he was introduced to me through a mutual friend, Peter Boghossian. Thomas wrote two very good books that I am familiar with (as well as a number of others) called The Witches Ointment and Psychedelic Mystery Traditions. We spoke about these themes including the foundation of Western mystery traditions, their potential entheogenic roots, plant medicines, magic, witches, and a lot of other really interesting topics. Thomas is doing very good work and I trust you all will gain a lot from his wisdom. As always, to support this podcast, get early access to shows, bonus material, and Q&As, check out my Patreon page below. Enjoy! To learn more about or contact Thomas, including his books, visit his website at: https://www.thomashatsis.com/ To learn more about our work, visit our website: https://NicotianaRustica.org To view the recent documentary, Sacred Tobacco, about my work, visit: https://youtu.be/KB0JEQALI_w I will be guiding our next plant medicine dietas with my colleague Merav Artzi (who I interviewed in episode 28) in: September 1-8: Remote Online Dieta November 2-30: Sacred Valley of Peru If you would like more information about joining us and the work I do or about future retreats, visit my site at: https://NicotianaRustica.org Integration/Consultation call: https://jasongrechanik.setmore.com Patreon: https://patreon.com/UniverseWithin YouTube join & perks: https://bit.ly/YTPerks PayPal donation: https://paypal.me/jasongrechanik Website: https://jasongrechanik.com Instagram: https://instagram.com/JasonGrechanik Facebook: https://facebook.com/UniverseWithinPodcast Music: Nuno Moreno: https://m.soundcloud.com/groove_…

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