# C.E. Massari - The Mafia vs. The Klan, Family History & Historical Noir

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Podcast: [The United States Department of Nerds Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-united-states-department-of-nerds-podcast-6458372)
Published: 2026-06-09T14:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Writer and creator C.E. Massari joins The Chairman on the USDN Podcast to discuss his upcoming 120-page original graphic novel, The Mafia vs. The Klan , coming from Source Point Press . Described as John Wick meets The Godfather , The Mafia vs. The Klan is a historical revenge noir inspired by real family history, Prohibition-era violence, and the question of what happens when justice fails. In this conversation, we talk about the real story behind the book, the legacy of Augustina Massari, turning family tragedy into fiction, writing about the Klan without glorifying hate, the moral complexity of revenge, the Mafia as a storytelling force, and why comics were the right medium for this project. We also discuss Source Point Press’ relaunch, the upcoming Kickstarter pre-sale campaign, the black-and-white noir visual style, working with artist Martin Gimenez, and the realities of indie comics, crowdfunding, professionalism, and creator relationships. Guest Links: C.E. Massari Substack: https://cemassari.substack.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/c.e.massari/ Kickstarter: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cemassari/the-mafia-vs-the-klan?ref=profile_created&category_id=252 Watch / Subscribe to USDN: https://www.youtube.com/@USDN_Podcast Business / Media Inquiries: thechairman@usdnpodcast.com BCW Supplies Affiliate Link https://www.bcwsupplies.com/?acc=usdn Use code USDN at checkout. Affiliate Disclosure: USDN may earn a small commission if you use our affiliate link or code. This helps support the show at no extra cost to you. The USDN Podcast - Where Indie Comics Come to Life.

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