# #86 From Toad Venom to Jesus: Cross-Examining Philip Goff

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Podcast: [The Uncertainty Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-uncertainty-podcast-7089022)
Published: 2026-05-28T18:20:00+00:00
Episode link: https://mileskdonahue.substack.com/p/86-from-toad-venom-to-jesus-cross
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## Resource

I discuss and debate the merits of drug-induced experiences for one's religious beliefs, the difference panpsychism makes, the distinction between God's essence and energies, and giant purple platypuses floating over New York City. Video of this interview is available on YouTube . To support the channel, do please oh please consider donating, either via PayPal or Buy Me a Coffee . Follow me on X because you’re awesome . EPISODE CHAPTERS 00:00:00 Introduction 00:00:32 What is 5-MeO-DMT? 00:02:07 Why Philip Goff tried toad venom 00:05:02 What the experience was like 00:07:13 Can you experience yourself not existing? 00:13:00 Was ego death terrifying? 00:17:03 William Lane Craig’s reaction 00:19:57 What is a structureless claim? 00:22:52 The content of mystical experience 00:25:39 Does 5-MeO-DMT support panpsychism? 00:33:15 Why trust a drug-induced experience? 00:40:08 Experience versus interpretation 00:43:54 Is Goff projecting panpsychism onto the experience? 00:46:03 What would defeat the experience? 00:51:25 How does this fit with Christianity? 00:57:19 Divine essence, energies, and simplicity 01:04:19 Why Christianity specifically? 01:08:26 Why not deism or another religion? 01:14:23 Does Goff believe in an afterlife? 01:16:43 Near-death experiences and consciousness 01:18:37 What is Goff most uncertain of? Get full access to Miles K. Donahue at mileskdonahue.substack.com/subscribe

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