# The Rupture of the “Rules-Based International Order” w/ Seva Gunitsky | Ep. 281

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Podcast: [The Un-Diplomatic Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-un-diplomatic-podcast-1187535)
Published: 2026-01-23T02:15:41+00:00
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## Resource

Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney gave the most important speech about international relations in 50 years. In this episode, Dr. Van Jackson and guest Dr. Seva Gunitsky sit down to dissect Carney's speech at the World Economic Forum in Davos. They discuss the many shades of realism in international relations, what it means to acknowledge the contradictions of the "rules-based international order," and where the world goes now that American hegemony is officially over.

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