# The Military is Trapped Between Fascism and Civil War | Ep. 282

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Podcast: [The Un-Diplomatic Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-un-diplomatic-podcast-1187535)
Published: 2026-01-28T01:13:32+00:00
Episode link: https://www.undiplomaticpodcast.com/episodes/282-PgUEUEYQ
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