# S6E13 - Divination and Civilizational Collapse

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Podcast: [The Two Tongues Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-two-tongues-podcast-3621016)
Published: 2026-05-26T18:16:14+00:00
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## Resource

In this episode Kyle and Chris discuss biological evolution, how nature uses specialization to solve survival challenges and how trans ideology threatens to undermine it. Next, we hit on the topic of divination, its historical varieties and whether detecting patterns in nature is magic, science...or...maybe something of both. We touch on the headlines including conservative figures like Nick Fuentes and Thomas Massie voting with Democrats, fossilized trees discovered in-tact, vertically buried all over the United States and Johnny Manziel's MMA debut. And to conclude, we discuss the Classicist--David Butterfield--who was interviewed recently on the Triggernometry podcast, laying out all the striking parallels between the decline of Ancient Athens and patterns emerging in the modern West. Enjoy ;)

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